The Black Arts!

I and many who support Independence for Scotland will complain often of the Lies and misinformation which is spread by Unionist parties and the British Media, with the BBC near the top of the complaints table!
Of course, no matter how much we might complain about Imbalance in programming or lying perpetrators being allowed to spread their poison unchallenged, it is a complete and utter waste of our time, our complaints achieve little or nothing. It is only if they are really caught with their pants down, that they may quietly apologise,and watch that they don’t make the same obvious mistake again.
Otherwise, It is business as usual!

What I can almost certainly guarantee, is that for the next two and half years, all their nonsense will increase ten fold. The only thing that will put the hems on it, is if the Conservatives really secretly would like to get rid of the thorn that is Scotland from their side.
In which case we will see some of them making seemingly massive blunders, while appearing to support the Union. The others will do their best to talk Scotland down as usual, while appearing to give the impression that they are not doing so.

What we have is the Black Arts of Propaganda in full swing.

Often when we think of these Black Arts nowadays, they are associated with Spin. Spin of course is merely propagating Lies or half truths to your advantage or your opponents disadvantage.
People are well aware nowadays that this goes on, and even chuckle at the antics of the Malcolm Tuckers of this world. But they are still deceived, and still taken in.
How can they be taken in, if they know its going on?
Quite easily. Just because something appears as if its in sight, doesn’t actually mean that you recognise it for what it really is, or what it is doing to you.

Yesterdays news of Fred the Shred is a case in point. Did what you think was happening really happen? Yes and No.
Yes Fred lost his spurs. Yes there was much a moral backlash from the media and politicians. But Fred wasn’t really what it was all about.
I wonder how many did get it? By the looks of so called experts on tv programmes, they didn’t know. They couldn’t quite understand what was going on, and thought it strange that Fred had been singularly Scapegoated in this way, when others have not been. They said it was all a Symbolic gesture, but were they right?
Yes it was a Symbolic gesture, but it was nothing to do with financial regulation, or government action/inaction. It wasn’t even about Banking.
What you saw, you didn’t see. What you thought it was about, was not really what it is about.
It was the classic Illusionist trick of the Master Magicians of the Black Arts.
Do you see which hand the ball is in yet?

I will leave Freds story and come back to him later. I will leave you to ponder the trick and move on.

Let me instead give you a lesson in the Black Arts, and how they work. Perhaps you will recognise them better when you see them.

Lets look at some of the techniques, but before we do, a quick look at how Britain controls them.
During the Great Wars, propoganda was a huge tool for all sides, and it was a war within a war.
After the War In 1948, the United Kingdom’s Foreign Office created the IRD (Information Research Department), which took over from wartime and slightly post-war departments such as the Ministry of Information and dispensed propaganda via various media such as the BBC and publishing

The Information Research Department, founded in 1948 by Christopher Mayhew MP, was a department of the British Foreign Office set up to counter Russian propaganda and infiltration, particularly amongst the western labour movement.
The original offices were in Carlton House Terrace, before moving to Riverwalk House, Millbank, London.

IRD’s main targets were in the Third World. However, it was also set out to “be of use to” British media and opinion formers. As well as supplying material to the BBC World Service, secret lists were compiled of approved journalists and trade unionists to whom material was offered, if not always accepted.

The ethical objection raised by IRD’s critics was that the public did not know the source of the information and could therefore not make allowances for the possible bias. It differed thus from straightforward propaganda from the British point of view
Eventually The department was closed down by then Foreign Secretary, David Owen, in 1977.
But if you think for one moment that the British Establishment wont be using such methods now? Then you are extremely gullible.
The department closed not because of any controversy, but because It was outed!
Ask yourself why MI5 has a permanent Scottish office in Glasgow right next to the BBC and were caught involved with BBC vetting in 1980.

But of course we have the Spin Doctors of political government, who wont go to the same lengths as the Security Service but utilise deception in some of their ways. Blairs Government was the one to Introduce us to them. Campbell and Mandleson being the henchmen of it.

Ok, what do they do?
Lets have a quick look.

“The propagandist seeks to change the way people understand an issue or situation for the purpose of changing their actions and expectations in ways that are desirable to the interest group. Propaganda, in this sense, serves as a corollary to censorship in which the same purpose is achieved, not by filling people’s minds with approved information, but by preventing people from being confronted with opposing points of view. What sets propaganda apart from other forms of advocacy is the willingness of the propagandist to change people’s understanding through deception and confusion rather than persuasion and understanding. The leaders of an organization know the information to be one sided or untrue, but this may not be true for the rank and file members who help to disseminate the propaganda.”

“Propaganda is also one of the methods used in psychological warfare, which may also involve false flag operations. The term propaganda may also refer to false information meant to reinforce the mindsets of people who already believe as the propagandist wishes. The assumption is that, if people believe something false, they will constantly be assailed by doubts. Since these doubts are unpleasant, people will be eager to have them extinguished, and are therefore receptive to the reassurances of those in power. For this reason propaganda is often addressed to people who are already sympathetic to the agenda. This process of reinforcement uses an individual’s predisposition to self-select “agreeable” information sources as a mechanism for maintaining control.”

Propaganda may be administered in insidious ways. For instance, disparaging disinformation about the history of certain groups or foreign countries may be encouraged or tolerated in the educational system. Since few people actually double-check what they learn at school or in textbooks, such disinformation will be repeated by journalists as well as parents, thus reinforcing the idea that the disinformation item is really a “well-known fact”, even though no one repeating the myth is able to point to an authoritative source. The disinformation is then recycled in the media and in the educational system, without the need for direct governmental intervention on the media. Such permeating propaganda may be used for political goals: by giving citizens a false impression of the quality or policies of their country, they may be incited to reject certain proposals or certain remarks or ignore the experience of others

Common media for transmitting propaganda messages include news reports, government reports, historical revision, junk science, books, leaflets, movies, radio, television, and posters.

The Message: How is it Spread?

Ad hominem
Is Latin phrase that has come to mean attacking one’s opponent, as opposed to attacking their arguments.
Take how Alex Salmond is attacked continually for being Smug, Fat, compared to Hitler or any other Dictator, or Mugabe by Paxman.
A prime example of this technique, used in the Lords, The Commons, The Printed Media.

Ad nauseam
This argument approach uses tireless repetition of an idea. An idea, especially a simple slogan, that is repeated enough times, may begin to be taken as the truth

Scotland being described as ‘Too Weak, Too Poor, Too Stupid’
The continual usage of Separatists to describe Independence supporters but mostly the SNP.

Appeal to authority
Appeals to authority cite prominent figures to support a position, idea, argument, or course of action.

The usage of so called experts to cast doubt on Scotlands ability to function. Cameron and Osbourne citing the chap from Citibank to say that they Big Business have concerns about investing in Scotland.
Before it was found out that the 3times Bankrupt CitiBank had been working with the British Government since Labour installed them.
There are many cases of this, so always do a background check on the expert cited.

Appeal to fear
Appeals to fear and seeks to build support by instilling anxieties and panic in the general population, for example, Joseph Goebbels exploited Theodore Kaufman’s Germany Must Perish! to claim that the Allies sought the extermination of the German people.

In Scotlands case, building fear that we would be marooned in a bad way and be in deep trouble if things didn’t work out after Independence.
Peoples fears of their pensions, and welfare,mortgages and for their children.

Appeal to prejudice
Using loaded or emotive terms to attach value or moral goodness to believing the proposition. Used in biased or misleading ways.

Big Lie
The repeated articulation of a complex of events that justify subsequent action. The descriptions of these events have elements of truth, and the “big lie” generalizations merge and eventually supplant the public’s accurate perception of the underlying events. After World War I the German Stab in the back explanation of the cause of their defeat became a justification for Nazi re-militarization and revanchist aggression.

Black-and-white fallacy
Presenting only two choices, with the product or idea being propagated as the better choice. For example: “You’re either with us, or against us….”

Or In Scotlands case, why the Unionists Really want to keep it down to a straight choice for or against Independence, and why Salmond and the SNP are leaving them flapping over a possible alternative choice in the mix.

Disinformation
The creation or deletion of information from public records, in the purpose of making a false record of an event or the actions of a person or organization, including outright forgery of photographs, motion pictures, broadcasts, and sound recordings as well as printed documents.

The hiding away of the McCrone report is a prime example. Or from a slightly different example of this technique on the Media side, try watching a big debate in the Scottish Parliament on Holyrood Live, then watch the BBC Scotland News report later and look at how the editing is done!

Door-in-the-face technique
Is used to increase a person’s latitude of acceptance. For example, if a salesperson wants to sell an item for £100 but the public is only willing to pay £50, the salesperson first offers the item at a higher price (e.g., £200) and subsequently reduces the price to £100 to make it seem like a good deal.

Or lets say..The British Government only wants Scotland to build one of three aircraft carriers. It makes it known that they are considering building four of them. They haven’t decided yet who is going to get to build them.
Scotland with a strong shipbuilding tradition thinks it should build them, but discovers that the British Government has leaked that they will all be going down to the South Coast.
Scotland puts is a strongly worded plea, and get told sorry, we really want to keep all of them down here.
Much noise and publicity ensues, media and press discussion, who said what and when.
Eventually the Government says, look we have decided to build only three, but think it only fair that Scotland gets to build one of them.
Scotland agrees, one is better than none, and the British Government has what it always wanted! And they can say how good they have been to us by letting us have one!
Result!

Euphoria
The use of an event that generates euphoria or happiness, or using an appealing event to boost morale. Euphoria can be created by declaring a holiday, making luxury items available, or mounting a military parade with marching bands and patriotic messages.

Used a lot in the lead up to the Scottish elections last year, 2 Royal weddings, date set to coincide close to Scots election.
Much flag waving, lots of noise, ridiculous hype, and one of them takes place up here!
The Scots didn’t buy it!
Watch out for more in the London Olympics, the determination to have a GB football team despite Scotland saying NO, it could jeopardise us in FIFA.
Queens Jubilee is another massive flag waving, drum beating exercise to look forward to.
And for opposite reasons, why they dont want the referendum in 2014, the year of the Commonwealth games and Scotland winning the World Cup! and the anniversary of Bannockburn.

Fear, uncertainty and doubt
An attempt to influence public perception by disseminating negative and dubious/false information designed to undermine the credibility of their beliefs.

There are far too many of these to mention with regards their actions towards Scotland,but they are easy to spot, and almost daily just now, so just watch what information is dispersed.

Half-truth
A half-truth is a deceptive statement, which may come in several forms and includes some element of truth. The statement might be partly true, the statement may be totally true but only part of the whole truth, or it may utilize some deceptive element, such as improper punctuation, or double meaning, especially if the intent is to deceive, evade, blame or misrepresent the truth.

Used a lot by Labour, and seen in action recently with Lamont, Curran, and Dougie Alexander all attacking Joan McAlpines statement in parliament on TV, where they repeated that she said “”the Liberals, the Labour Party and the Tories are anti-Scottish”
And variations of that theme,when what she actually said was,

“the Liberals, the Labour Party and the Tories are anti-Scottish in coming together to defy the will of the Scottish people and the democratic mandate that they gave us to hold a referendum at a time of our choosing, which, as the First Minister said, would be the latter half of the parliamentary session.”

The TV news all cut their clips to match the Labour version!

Labelling
A Dysphemism is used when the intent of the propagandist is to discredit, diminish the perceived quality.

The use of the word Separatists to label Independence supporters as divisive.

Managing the news
According to Adolf Hitler “The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly – it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over.” This idea is consistent with the principle of classical conditioning as well as the idea of “Staying on Message.”

Listen to Labour Politicians! They do it all the time.

Milieu control
An attempt to control the social environment and ideas through the use of social pressure.
Also well known In West and Central Scotland in years gone by. A Labour Councillor could put the boot into your local housing application if you weren’t on side. Or the opposite in Glasgow in recent years where it is often alleged that party contributions by wealthy business benefactors could get them public property at knockdown prices to sell later at an obscene profit. This is only alleged of course, nobody has been able to get the goods on it yet!

Name-calling
Propagandists use the name-calling technique to start fears and arouse prejudices in their hearers in the intent that the bad names will cause hearers to construct a negative opinion about a group or set of beliefs or ideas that the propagandist wants hearers to denounce. The method is intended to provoke conclusions about a matter apart from impartial examinations of facts. Name-calling is thus a substitute for rational, fact-based arguments against the an idea or belief on its own merits

Obtain disapproval or Reductio ad Hitlerum
This technique is used to persuade a target audience to disapprove of an action or idea by suggesting that the idea is popular with groups hated, feared, or held in contempt by the target audience. Thus if a group that supports a certain policy is led to believe that undesirable, subversive, or contemptible people support the same policy, then the members of the group may decide to change their original position. This is a form of bad logic, where a is said to include X, and b is said to include X, therefore, a = b.

Scottish Nationalists are Nationalists therefore equate Nationalists with BNP, Hitler, Nazis so you Get SNP = Nazis
It doesn’t matter that there a World of distinction between the two types of Nationalism, the important thing is to make Scottish Nationalists appear in the worst light possible!

Red herring
Presenting data or issues that, while compelling, are irrelevant to the argument at hand, and then claiming that it validates the argument.
Listen to any politician facing a difficult question, they will answer something entirely different from the actual question asked.

Third-party technique
Works on the principle that people are more willing to accept an argument from a seemingly independent source of information than from someone with a stake in the outcome. It is a marketing strategy commonly employed by Public Relations (PR) firms, that involves placing a premeditated message in the “mouth of the media.”
The British government uses Focus Groups, Ian MacMillan of CBI Scotland is trotted out frequently to attack the Scottish Governments Business policies. But they use many other seemingly Independent experts and groups who are also decidedly not Impartial.
The BBC in Scotland interviews many of them, but never mentions their connections, and always mentions a Nationalists connection.
Obviously the seemingly Independent one is more reliable, surely?

BBC correspondents Opinions should also be treated with caution, it is opinion not News! Many of whom have had Labour connections! Including the News and Politics Department Heads!

Scapegoating
Assigning blame to an individual or group, thus alleviating feelings of guilt from responsible parties and/or distracting attention from the need to fix the problem for which blame is being assigned.

And so finally we come back to Fred Goodwin.
What was it all about?

RBS has been in the news a lot recently, the BIG Bonus outrage!
Now Freddy!
Over and over again as the current boss, who has turned down his massive Bonus, which incidentally is a lot less than the Bosses of the other Big Banks are getting (and quite disgracefully)Has been in the news.
When he said he was turning the Bonus down, end of that particular story.
Commentators have been surprised that the decision on Freddy has been announced and decided so quickly. They didn’t at all expect it.
But the Government wanted RBS kept to the front! So Freddy gets it right now!
All the talk of how RBS with its previous GDP being bigger than the whole Country, having to be bailed out resumes. We are reminded once more about these ‘Scottish’ Banks. The fact that they are nominally so is overlooked.
We are reminded of the scale of the so called rescue.
We are not told that the British Government did not take on their debts but acted as a Guarantor. It didn’t cost all that much in reality.
We are told again about this catastrophe and bad judgement by this Scottish Banker, and subliminally reminded of his Nationality and the Banks Nationality.
All designed to reduce confidence in Scotland by Scots.

Freds Scapegoating is also to make us see that the Government is taking action, when they are not! Fred is no longer even a Banker.

It is the Black Arts at work. You just need to open your eyes to see where they are misdirecting you!

Update: BBC Scotlands Blogs which have been shut to comments for months, Opens suddenly to allow comments on Freds Story in Douglas Fraser Blog.
Now given all that I have just written….What does that tell you? 😉

Further Update:
BBC Reporting Scotland highlighted Alex Salmonds regret for backing Fred in the good times.
No mention whatsoever of Labours granting him the Peerage,on First Minister Jack the Lord McConnel, nor indeed anything of the support and lauding of him done by Browns Labour Government.
Their Online report sees Lamont attack Salmond for the SNPs support of Light touch financial regulation in Scotland, when all Finacial matters are controlled by Westminster and It was Gordon Brown who made catastrophic mistakes.

Also as part of tonights Reporting Scotland:
Kenny McAskill the Justice Minister apologising for the treatment of Shirley McKee in the fingerprint case, which occurred long before the SNP came into Government, giving the impression that it was poor judgement by the SNP. No mention of Labour again.

UPDATE DAY 3
Finally we get there.
Today Labour accused Alex Salmond of backing Goodwin to buy ANB Anbro,and accusing him of bad judgement. In fact accusing him of Economic incompetence, and calling him Scotlands New Goodwin.
The assertion being that Scots independence would leave Scotland bankrupt.
They were willingly forgetting that the Financial regulations were in a Labour Governments power in Westminster and Alex Salmond had none.
That Labour with Gordon Brown at the helm had brought Goodwin in as a Special Advisor to them, and that is was Jack McConnell who nominated Freds peerage.
Blair and Brown and Balls presided over the whole disaster and made a bad mess a lot worse.

All of this was visible for those with the eyes to see and the brain to think, from day1

The Equation
RBS=Scotland=Broke
Goodwin=Salmond= Incompetent=Failure

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69 Responses to The Black Arts!

  1. I have tried to post this twice before and lost it twice so, here goes for the third time of tying.

    There is another technique used by Labour endlessly.

    In fact Murphy uses at all the time and Douggie Alexander used it against Nicola Sturgeon regarding the “anti English slur” and Joan MacAlpine.

    It is the technique in panels to shout over and verbally harass a member of the SNP with one of their lies, the repetition technique and the taking out of context and demanding a denial, over and over again.

    This requires that the host should permit it, Glenn Campbell for example, and David Dimblebly.

    If ever you see Murphy in a panel he speaks loudly over any SNP rep in order to drown them out. I learned that technique in his Students Union days and keeps getting away with it.

    • Robert, (Auld Bob), Peffers. says:

      Actually he does not. If the recipient smiles sweetly and makes no attempt to outdo the interrupter. The biter becomes the bitten and looks like the bully and ill mannered oaf that he/she is. It also reflects badly upon the presenter/chairperson and makes then seem the biased person they are. If either, or both, are not too good at it the effect has really backfired.

      • Old Bob

        The camera doesn’t always show that.

        The speaker speaks but the heckler, perhaps with the aid of the sound engineer who ups the balance to aid the heckler, interrupts the ability of the listener to hear the SNP speaker.

        Have you not recognised that one yet?

  2. Offer this article to Newsnet please

    • Newsnet are always welcome to my articles. They don’t even need to ask, because I have given them permission to use what they like.
      It fully depends on the editorial if they want it.

      • It is actually worse when you have three Unionists all shouting when a SNP person is trying to speak.
        As soon as they start telling home truths, the voices ALL raise and they try to drown their words out.
        You will also see tv hosts interupting a lot more with the SNP than when the Unionists are talking. It is an effort to throw the SNP spokesman off their stride, and to stop a comment being made.
        Any Unionists lies go strictly unchallenged.
        Also watch what the backdrops and pictures are used in news items or in chat studios. What subtle message do they convey?
        Any real positive news stories about Scotland are brushed over, if mentioned at all!
        Anything Negative is blown out of all proportion.

        And so it goes!

  3. jafurn says:

    good article but have I just spotted the deliberate mistake
    “Ignoring that the British Government bought its shares at 50p and currently they stand at £2.78 a share! A BIG PROFIT! ”

    RBS share price as of 16-06 pm
    27.75
    +1.13 (4.24%)

    If I am wrong then fine but if not maybe best corrected before someone else does.

    • The Share price obviously fluctuates daily.
      27.75 equates to £2.775
      Thus it has fallen half a pence since Friday.
      It had actually fallen slightly further before climbing back to almost Fridays close.

      • jafurn says:

        Are you sure I just checked and it is
        27.81
        +1.19 (4.48%) Real-time: 4:25PM GMT

        check it here…
        http://www.google.co.uk/finance?client=ob&q=LON:RBS

        I am not attacking your article I think it is great and true . Except for the part about the RBS Share price it is 27.81 pence.
        Please forgive me if I am wrong here but I really don’t think so.
        cheers
        jafurn

      • You are indeed correct, which strangely is a case against myself.
        I will remove that part of the article and thanks for pointing out the error to me. It is much appreciated.

    • Yes maybe but, what are the true liabilities of the Bank. Forget the published accounts, the liabilities for CDOs and CDS’S?

      I don’t know and I think RBS don’t know because they haven’t a clue who “owns” these bits of paper which are whistling around the ethers looking for terra firma to be converted into real money. Iceland found that one out the hard way.

      The last I heard there were 5/6 times the World’s GDP in these photocopies knocking about.

      AIG copped a fair amount as they did some final insuring but where is the rest. RBS has a share or two of that which would dwarf their issued share capital.

      Time to suspend nikrmal understanding of banking debt, money and ownership.

    • Whoa

      If we bought at 50p and they are trading at 27.8p were are showing a paper loss of 22p ish per share?

      Something is wrong

      • It would appear so…But don’t forget the original figures I quoted were from a BBC reporter who got the the £2.78 wrong, so I am assuming he got the 50p figure wrong too.
        So goodness knows? But thankfully the figures weren’t important to my article, otherwise I would have been going nuts!

        As an aside, note that day 3 of this nonsense had the BBC announcing Labours accusation of Alex Salmond supporting Goodwin, and questioning his economic
        management and calling him another Fred Goodwin….You could see this scenario building nicely from day one.

      • My guess is 50p and 27,7p are the correct figures so are showing a paper loss of 22 p per share.

  4. jafurn says:

    As an afterthought ..if you think about it if the share price was £2.775
    then Mr Hestors bonus would not have been an issue.

    • Its just as well I am not a financial advisor or stock broker. I would have everybody broke in no time!! lol

      • jafurn says:

        Nah you would probably end up as a SIR

      • Strangely enough I got my figures from comments made by a BBC political presenter!!
        How odd for them to get their figures so badly wrong!!
        Considering the figures given could be used to prove that the Government were benefiting hugely from their investment at present!
        However the figures were being used actually to justify Hestors £1million Bonus!
        Now the question being….Why were they doing that??

    • John Souter says:

      jafurn -the share price is 27.81 pence, and RBS value based on the share price is now a nominal £23bn and that has to be taken with a pinch of salt since RBS has sold off subsidiaries – probably the most saleable and at fire sale prices for largely unqualified amounts.

  5. jafurn says:

    No problem and I repeat I loved the article and would not have wanted it’s credence called into question.
    keep it up
    jafurn

  6. jafurn says:

    I wwould have no objections to you removing our exchange as it seems a bit irrelevent now

    • No Sir, I shall keep it where it is.
      It proves two things.
      One, that Independence supporters are prepared to correct others incorrect information, or parts of information, even if it seems beneficial to the cause.
      Two. That I personally will hold my hands up and say I got it wrong, If I got it wrong. And give credence to the person who has corrected me.
      By being honest and open, we become more credible to others who may be undecided.
      Truth, Openess and Accountability must always be seen as our primary drivers.
      So thanks again for your corrections and comments. The article is the better for it.

  7. Vincent Mc Dee says:

    Group hug anyone?

  8. Bill Cruickshank says:

    An excellent article which deserves much more coverage than it will get. Which brings me to a major issue for all nationalists i.e. how do we get articles such as the above and many other excellent pieces to the people who really count, namely the people of Scotland? It is my firm belief that long before the Referendum takes place, the nationalist movement must have a national newspaper/journal which will print the truth and investigate all the Black Arts of which you outline so well.
    One other observation, I believe I was the victim of what I would describe as the “Dirty Tricks Brigade” way back in the early 90’s. My feeling is that I was targetted by professional people working for an unamed organisation who were trying to involve me in a plot to smear the SNP. This may sound like a conspiracy theory, but I can assure you I have no doubt that my ‘phone was tapped and that I and my family were in some danger. I only bring this up as I am convinced that while what you have described is taking place just now, there is much more to come. I would urge all nationalists to be aware that certain unionist elements will use every dirty trick in the book (and then some!) to undermine the cause of Scottish self determination. With that cheery thought, I wish you all the best, keep up the good work.

    • Robert, (Auld Bob), Peffers. says:

      The branches are beavering away leafleting area by area. They could do with as much help as they can get. I an, unfortunatly, disabled but I do have several other handy skills that may be of great help soon.

  9. Jen says:

    Brilliant article. They will stoop very low indeed. I hope Scotland wakes up and votes yes. Lets face it if we vote no, westminister will lay waste to scotland like never before.

  10. Dave McEwan Hill says:

    Bill Cruickshank

    You are entirely right. It is hard to persuade some of our very enthusiatic but naive members that the SNP is infiltrated and always has been.
    The modus operanda most of the time is low level disruption at SNP branch or constituency level by persons who appear to be hugely committed nationalists most of the time. They always seek position in whatever part of the party they are in and, of course, they would be no use as infiltrators if they weren’t able to ingratiate themselves with other members and appear tobe doing great work for the party. They get away with ****ing a few times because ot the evidence of high level commitment. The higher they go the more disruption they can cause and this is always the objective. Main means of disruption is tittle tattle setting members against each other by reporting opinions sought to the people on whom the opinion was sought and other similar disruptive but hard to pin down activities. They also tend to keep moving on..
    I talked with a very long in the tooth and clever SNP member who had come up to the top in the trade union movement at the time of the miners’ strike. He was shocked to find that a high ranking member of the Miners’ Union was actually working for the security service. He took a trade union scholarship to go on to an economics degree Oxford but a great interest of his since that time has been in the activities of “plants” in a huge range of trade unions, civic organisations and political parties. His testament is that there are many thousands of these at work all the time, many of them for small payments but just as many because the security services have something on them.
    We ain’t seen nothin’ yet !

    • jafurn says:

      Evidence …… please////// otherwise go to the authorities ,,,if you know something that is Happening then get in touch with the proper authorities otherwise just shut up ……. that’s it!

      • Gerry Fisher says:

        Jafurn: a slight problem is to know who, in this case, are the “proper authorities”? Report MI5? To who? Who is going to take any action against such plants – there is unlikely to be hard evidence to expel them from the Party or to name and shame them. But activists should be aware of the possibility that such people may exist to act as agents provocateurs, so that they dont fall for their illegal or damaging suggestions.

      • It appears, years afterwards, that the Provo IRA and justa bout every “Unionist” (Ulster) group and splinter group was infiltrated and manipulated to MI5/6.

        I have no doubt that it is the same with SNP.

        I remember some years ago some rumours, that Murphy (jim) was a Special Branch informant.

        Who knows, but it happens.

        Who you gonna call

        Ghostbusters?

    • jafurn says:

      Still waiting?

    • Judy says:

      Yes, too true. I was a member of a small civic organisation, a social/scientific research group. I had got myself involved in a “case” that was security sensitive, obviously, and had unearthed documentation at the then Public Record Office which was pretty damning. On returning to the PRO a few days later to start making photocopies, I was kept waiting for hours and then told that the file had been recalled by the MoD and was now subject to the 100yr ruling. This is illegal, and when I pointed out this fact to the record-keeper, I was told the MoD could do anything it liked, legal or no.

      After that, my phone was tapped for about two months. I was followed several times by the same man, who made no effort to conceal himself, even right up to my front door where he alighted from his car and just stood and stared at me as I entered the house and then watched him from a window. I had informed my colleagues of this harrassment and urged them to be careful, so was totally taken aback when he turned up at one of our public lectures in London. I felt someone staring at me in the darkened lecture hall, so turned round and spotted him sitting a few rows behind me on an aisle seat. I montioned over to a friend and whispered to him what was going on and we agreed we would corner this man when the lights went up. In the event, when the lights came on, he had just melted away.

      I then caught a very-well respected member of our team taking photos of everyone in the room at a very sensitive meeting. He had a tiny camera the size of a matchbox and when he caught me clocking him he quickly slipped it in his pocket and pretended to be studying a poster on the wall. He was a member of the police force.

      Then began the campaign to blacken my name and reputation as a scientific researcher. Outrageous reports and documents, seemingly authored by me, were sent to prestigious groups and universities all over the world. I only discovered this because a couple of the recipients, American professors, knew me well enough to smell a rat and contacted me. They sent me the offending literature so that I could see the handwriting on the envelopes, and perhaps manage to track the culprit down. I put it in a file in my cabinet marked “Harrassment”, where I had documented other related incidents and information I had received about certain journalists working for the security services, or at least being on a retainer. In this respect the preferred modus operandi is to use little-known provincial journalists on local papers who are instructed by their paymasters to insert certain stories/opinions . These stories are then picked up by the MSM.

      Not long after, my house was burgled while we were on holiday. A video recorder (it was the early early 90s) was taken, presumably to make it look like a run-of-the-mill break-in, and my husband’s new dress suit! Nothing else was gone, and there was plenty a thief would have been glad of in the house………….. except my “Harrassment” file, picked clean out of the cabinet which had been left open with all its other contents undisturbed, as if to let me know just what they had been looking for.

      I know this has little to do with Scottish Independence, but if forces out there are so concerned about what a little research group gets up to, what lengths are they prepared to go to derail the independence movement, when the stakes are so very high?

      • That is quite some story! Thankfully It ended at that!
        There have been a few very suspicious incidents in the relatively recent as well as the distant past where suspicion has fallen on the Men In Black! None of them of course proven! You can expose White Propaganda and Grey Propaganda but once you get into Black Propaganda you are in serious danger!
        The Majority of the Black Arts are actually of the White or Grey type. The real nasty stuff we are better not to have proof of, we might not be around too long!

  11. Gerry Fisher says:

    One of the above reminds me of the fact that a Party friend dug out of the Records office at Kew reports made on SNP activities in the 50s and 60s – by the Special Branch, on behalf of MI5
    And reminde me of the member we had in London Branch at that time who just happened to work for the BBC, but had a “grace and favour flat”, presumably provided at the request of the same organisation which had got him into the BBC – as Oliver Brown renamed them , the “Anglosaxaphone”

  12. jafurn says:

    Blah BlaH Blah do any of you have anything to say in an accusatory fashion against the SNP
    that can be substantiated in any way ?
    Otherwise this is all just tittle-tattle and I suppose what I mean Is….. Don’t you have anything productive to say?

  13. Dave McEwan Hill says:

    Jafurn
    Are you daft or just rude?
    Report to whom? The authorities????? The ones that infiltrate all political organisations.
    Any person who does not understand that the SNP is and has always been infiltrated doesn’t live in the real world.
    It would be very odd indeed if it wasn’t.
    I could provide a number of cases.
    Here’s one. Just after the Hamilton by election the Hamilton SNP attracted a new and very enthusiastic member. He was up for everything. Burning down the pier at the Holy Loch. Digging up the runway at the rocket base in the Uists etc etc. Getting in tow with Major Boothby. He was all for organising these things. We had another young member who was also a member of Wendy Woods Scottish Patriots. Three times this young man set off for Wales, twice with money for Welsh patriots who were trying to stop them building reservoirs for Birmingham in Welsh valleys, the other time it was something about the Prince of Wales (investiture?). On each occassion he got intercepted by the police -, twice in Chester and once before he even got that far..
    We knew someone was informing. Suspicions fell on the other young chap whom we knew very little about. He suddenly disappeared from our activities. When we checked at his family home we found out he was a member of the RAF Military police, usually stationed in Germany. They didn’t even know he had “joined” the SNP.
    I could go on and on.

  14. jafurn says:

    Dave McEwan Hill
    You are going on and on and on
    I asked for substantiation not hearsay….

    What you say MAYBE true but you offer no proof

    I may be daft but i am never rude and I am not stupid either…

  15. Now folks, lets not have a falling out!
    We have enough to be getting on with, without arguing amongst ourselves!
    When we squabble amongst ourselves, we are simply doing the oppositions work for them, and far more effectively than they are!
    Take a chill pill and count to ten before posting! 😉

  16. jafurn says:

    OK let me be the first to take the pill.

    I apologise if I have upset anyone …I was merely stating my opinion and believe me I have anough room for everyone elses opinion : it’s only that I seem to be a wee bit attached to my own….. but I do understand I am not here alone…

    • That is fine by me Sir.
      We can all have different opinions, it would be unusual if we were all the same. And rather boring!
      We can all do with our opinions being challenged from time to time, and we should be the better for it! It prepares us for when we meet real challenges that we really want to win, and keeps us on our toes.
      The problems arise if we start getting stroppy with each other. That does us no good whatsoever!
      And yes, we are not all going to get on famously either. We don’t naturally gel with some folk. If that happens, it is best to step back and draw breath, and collect ourselves. If we don’t , then we end up with unproductive skirmishes, and sometimes bad feeling, and we have effectively defeated our own objectives!
      I keep a relaxed moderation on my page, and i am happy for folks to disagree, or have different opinions, that is cool. But if I think that things are in danger of getting overheated, I will come in with a gentle reminder of what our main focus should be!
      P.s Thanks everyone for your contributions today, It has been very interesting and sometimes enlightening.

  17. Niall MacDougall says:

    Excellent Blog by the way!!……Favourited,Followed, and getting shared on facebook 😉

  18. Rab o' Ruglen says:

    HI there,

    Getting back to the subject. Have you observed that on the odd occasion when BBC Scotland report anything positive about Scotland, there is always a qualifying, compensating “but”, sometimes totally destroying the positiveness of the foregoing item. Having noticed it, I now it find tediously repetitive. It is so obviously an attempt to appear neutral when actually just doing Scotland down.

    Regards,

    • I have, and it is very obvious when you know what you are looking for. It then makes you wonder why you were so blind to it all, for so long?
      I discovered by the BBC’s own hand how they twist things to suit their editorial slant 20 years ago, when they had me in for an interview on a subject.
      On watching the programme when they released it, I was shocked to discover that a statement I had made, had been cut in half. The Result? By leaving the concluding half of the statement out, it distorted my meaning out of all recognition and turned it into an opposing view.
      Example: ” It is freezing cold, but I am roasting” gets turned into “It’s freezing cold”
      Then if you use splicing, you can cut a whole segment of conversation out and then come into another segment of conversation you want to fit in to keep the message consistent with what you are trying to portray.

      I was shocked and furious! Considering that they then showed their segment of conversation to my opponents, and their spokesman made mincemeat out of it. Leaving me looking an idiot.
      I had no means to correct the impression nor respond.

      I have watched them and their type like hawks ever since.
      I have had the same experience with some Interviews I have given to papers and journalists in hte past too.
      Where the use of selective quotes and editorial slant has completely distorted my meaning.
      When that has happened, these type of journalists or their paper have never been given another interview from me again. I have refused utterly to speak to them.

      Given that my particular situations were small beer in comparison to what we are deciding now.
      You can see how distortion of facts and representation can be rife.
      I am sure the SNP will play hard ball with them now, and refuse certain interviews. or threaten legal action if such basic distortion techniques are used.
      But, If you watch the BBC and how they edit and splice camera shots, they can also very subtly change the impression a viewer has of a circumstance. You will have had to have seen the original Live footage first, before the change becomes obvious.

      • Rab o' Ruglen says:

        Hi auldacquaintance,

        Thanks for the comprehensive reply. Oh yes, the old “only quoting half of your statement” trick. You can see this in operation almost nightly on BBC, in the interviews where the Unionist parties are present, seated in the studio and the SNP are on a monitor up on the wall showing a pre-re corded statement which the Unionists are then given free reign to pull to bits. Why are we up on the wall? Even when we’re live, we’re up on the wall, where “technical difficulties” make frequent guest appearances at most inopportune moments, for the Nationalists that is. We’re the friggi’n government for goodness sake. We should have the last word. Not them. But of course that would acknowledge our right to form the government, which the BBC doesn’t really want to admit has happened.

        Bad cess to them I say. (Am I allowed to say that on your blog?)

        However their tactics are becoming more and more obvious and as such lose their effectiveness to the point of becoming counter-productive. The trick is to point them out to friends and acquaintances without seeming to be paranoid. And you are right, once you become aware of them, you cannot see anything else. Keep spreading the word.

        Regards,

  19. Siôn Jones says:

    Could I suggest that the Comment is Free section of the Guardian might be a suitable medium for disseminating this excellent article to a wider audience?

  20. Mike Cunningham says:

    Watch for this one!
    The dept of Dirty Tricks will link up with the Immigration service and start shipping any undesirable immigrants north by the coach load.
    This will achieve 3 objectives:-
    1) They can claim a reduction in immigrant numbers.
    2) This will eventually overwhelm Scotland’s benefit system
    3) It will clog up housing and other infrastructures.

    Wizard wheese what!!

  21. Duggie says:

    Just discovered this blog and it’s quickly become a favourite!

    Yesterday BBC News 24 had a piece about Up Helly Aa.Hammered home repeatedly by the reporter was the Scandinavian roots of Shetlanders.Of course no mention of the facts that over 50% of Shetlanders’ ancestors came from mainland Scotland starting from about 600 years ago or that many mainland Scots have Scandinavian forebears and the links between Scotland and Scandinavia are strong.An interesting fact also is that Shetland’s flag was designed by a member of the SNP ,but of course the BBC would never tell people that.Stand by for an MSM campaign flogging the lie that Shetlanders and Orcadians don’t see themselves as Scots.

  22. Dave McEwan Hill says:

    Here’s another salutary tale.
    In 1990 myself and some of my SNP branch did a lot of days at the Paisley North and Paisley South by elections. Standing outside the count at the town hall with hundreds of singing SNP supporters and holding a bottle of Irn Bru and a Mars bar (it had been a hard day) I was encouraged into riotous behaviour by the guy standing next to me. He kept saying to me “Throw the bottle. Throw the bottle”. Alongside me was another SNP member who had retired from the police. He leant forward and said something to guy. The guy abruptly moved off. “What happened there?” I asked.
    “I know the guy” explained my friend. “I worked with him when he was in the police before he moved to the Special Branch”
    By the oddest coincidence a couple of years later I was standing at the Scotland United rally in George Square with the same group of branch members when – help ma boab- about ten yards away from us was the same guy.

  23. Derick fae Yell says:

    A classic of the genre. is in the Shetland Times every week in the form of the Fiberal’s Letter from Edinburgh and Letter from Westminster. And of course on the website no comment is allowed on this tosh.

    http://www.shetlandtimes.co.uk/2011/12/01/letter-from-westminster-75
    “It is worth remembering that this is only happening because of the presence of the Liberal Democrats in the coalition government”

    “The BBC bosses in Glasgow should watch out. When Shetland negotiates the islands’ con­stitu­tional future with Oslo, mainland Scotland will be in a different box altogether. This doesn’t even begin the argument about oil because our map of Shetland’s geographical waters will include North Sea and Atlantic oil too. But that is for another day.”

    http://www.shetlandtimes.co.uk/2011/11/10/letter-from-edinburgh-69

    The Shetland Times website editors are very selective on which comments they publish. I made several on the thread (still open incidentally), but only one, noting the background of the tiresome Earl, was published.
    http://www.shetlandtimes.co.uk/2012/01/24/isles-should-be-allowed-to-remain-in-uk-if-they-reject-independence-tory-lord

  24. Stevie says:

    You’re proving unusually popular on FACEBOOK – well done.

    Two points – They aren’t anti Scottish they are simply traitors to the best interests of their native land and people – a clear example was to give Scottish territory (waters off the East coast) to England.

    Brit nats are an unhealthy bunch. It’s one thing to be a nationalist aspiring democratically to deliver independence and a better life to the people of a country; it’s quite another ugly thing to flag wave and call yourself ‘Great’ and ‘punch above your weight’ with nukes and continue empire building with illegal war.

    Brit nats are an evil on the world stage and an evil on the home stage for the poor

  25. Facebook, yes Stevie. Twitter is a whole different ball game. I can never really get into that, and it shows by my blog visits from there.
    A lot of traffic coming from Newsnet recently, and I think that is because of other people leaving links on there. I will post one or two, but I generally don’t comment all that much there myself, although I do read it a lot.
    A small few other blogs have linked to mine now, and a little amount of traffic seeps back to me.
    I suppose if people like what I have to say, then more will visit regularly.
    In any case, all of the above is lovely, but the main thing for me is to get the message out about our ability to be an Independent nation, and trying to reach out to others who are still to be convinced that we can and we should be.

  26. intentionally blank says:

    The article is well written but I can’t help laughing as I make my way into the comments section to see exactly the same sort of things that you accuse the unionists of in the body of the text being done by (presumably) separatists in the comments.

    eg “Strangely enough I got my figures from comments made by a BBC political presenter!!”
    Which one? What program at least. A link? Or as Wikipedia would say .

    Much more professional to write “mea culpa” and move on.

    And some of the conspiracy theories later are just awesome examples of irrelevance.

    • I have no way of of speaking for anyone else for their experiences, so thy may answer for themselves for what they believe.
      If I could remember exactly which BBC presenter on which programme on the BBC I had heard the figures on, be sure I would have stated which one exactly. I wasn’t thinking at the time of watching it would have any relevance to any article I wrote. It may have been on Reporting Scotland or it may have been on Newsnight or Newsnight Scotland. It was one of these, but I cannot say exactly which one? Nor does it matter, as the figures were removed and the comment attributable to them in the article.
      You may choose to believe me or not, I really couldn’t care less. If I wanted to be disingenuous, I would have removed the passage from the article and all the comments relating to it,and you would have known no different.
      I chose to let the comments stand. You wouldn’t see a politician doing that!

      The people who have written the comments are not Separatists, they are Independence supporters.
      Independence does not mean Separate in any dictionary, other than a Labour or BritNat one.
      To be Independent means to stand on ones own feet, responsible for ones own decisions.
      I presume you are an Independent Individual, but whether you are in a relationship with others or Separated is entirely up to you. It is what you do with your independence which is important,not merely the state of independence in itself.

      • Dave McEwan Hill says:

        I think you can take it as read that anyone who uses the word “separatist” is not a nationalist. To be a unionist is a perfectly respectable political position and I would never think of looking for some pejorative term to insult them.
        I think the use of the word “separatism ” indicates vividly the absolute paucity of the unioist response so far.
        They may in time find some arguments and if they do they will find they don’t have deceive themselves that cheap points bring political gains.

        ChicMac I remember the same thing as we held our meetings in a hotel. After the same guy appearing sitting in a corner of the lounge across from us we knew something was going on

  27. chicmac says:

    Great article. I go back to the pre-technology days in the 60’s and 70’s when the wee Special Branch bod sat in the corner of SNP meetings overtly taking notes. At first I thought it was a local journalist but other members soon put me right. He would never speak, even to deny the accusation of being SB. Now, I am 100% positive, given the ever greater obsession with spin and propaganda by the British Establishment, that there still will be a Brit intelligence presence at most of the bigger SNP branch meetings, but for the last 3 decades at least, technology, in the form of mini tape-recorders and later digital recorders mean that overt note taking no longer has to take place.

    Some of the Brit Nat shenanigans is covered in the programme ‘Diomhair’, a Gaelic programme ironically made by BBC Alba. Lost in translation methinks. Nice to think the marginalilsation of a language can come back to bite them on the bum.

  28. AYE what else could we expect?

  29. chicmac says:

    This is a wee indication of the U position, a document found in the back of a Glasgow Taxi 😉

    ——————————————————————
    DOs and DON’Ts for Unionists in Scotland

    This crib-sheet of DOs and DON’Ts has been compiled as a quick reference for all true Unionists** operating in the field of anti-independence activities in Scotland. It is an extract of that which we regard as being the key actions from “The British Unionist’s Handbook” (with which you are probably more familiar).

    1. DO point out how well the Scottish economy is doing under the Union.

    2. DO claim Scotland cannot afford independence.

    3. DON’T, however, make points 1 and 2 to the same individual(s) at the same time. (slight compatibility problem).

    4. DO claim that North Sea oil is about to run out. It’s harder to sell the ‘oil isn’t worth much’ line since those troublesome ‘McCrone Report’ revelations under the Freedom of Information Act.

    5. If you are influential in UK Government DO what you can to prevent Scottish companies and industries becoming a source of national pride. The less Scots feel able to prosper under independence the less they will be willing to vote for independence. It also will do no harm to infer that a London government may be capable of hurting a post-independent Scotland economically, but never state this baldly.

    6. If you are influential in UK Government DO not baulk from limiting Scottish democratic rights if necessary. In particular DON’T ever allow a referendum on independence.

    7. If you are influential in UK Government DO cut the budget to the Scottish Executive if it is an SNP one, so that not all of their commitments can be fulfilled. Work with the UK Treasury on this. Then claim targets not met are the SNP’s fault.

    8. DO claim that the SNP would create an ‘Albanian style socialist republic’.

    9. DO claim that the SNP are ‘Tartan Tories’.

    10. DON’T, however, claim 8 and 9 at the same time and again, make sure of your audience’s political leanings first.

    11. If you work in the media, DO portray SNP politicians in as bad a light as possible e.g. doing something trivial or seemingly carefree or arrogant. On the other hand, portray Unionist politicians as being serious and competent.

    12. If you work in the media, DO report as often as possible anything which might help to lower Scots self-esteem. This is vital, if the electorate do not feel confident enough they will not vote for independence supporting parties. So lie if you have to.

    13. If you work in the media, DON’T report poll results on straightforward independence, they frequently show a majority for it. If you must do so, make sure these are ‘buried’ as much as possible.

    14. If you work in the media and are interviewing politicians, DO make sure you are more aggressive with the pro-independence interviewee. Cut him/her off if they seem to be making a good point, and change the subject. Ridicule their answers and always let the Unionist have the last word. Wherever possible, emphasise division in the pro-independence camp.

    15. If you work in the media, DON’T use the Scots language except for ridicule or deprecation of Scottish culture.

    16. If you work in the media, wherever possible DO seek out comment from an English accented individual, especially in authority situations. Never use a person with a Scots accent unless you have to. The exception is football, but we are even making progress there.

    17. If you work in the History sector, (Universities, museums, historical sites), DO your best to eradicate or play down any nationalist content. The scourge of nationalism must be politically cleansed from our past, it only lends encouragement to independence ideas.

    18. If you work in the History sector, DO claim that nothing of importance happened in Scotland prior to the Union. In particular Wallace is to be ignored, or if that is not possible, portray him as a terrorist. Portray the Bruces as self-seeking French rejects.

    19. If you work in the History sector, DO claim that Scots were enthusiastic partners in Empire after the Union and that nationalism only reared its ugly head in the last few decades. Claim England really came to Scotland’s rescue in 1707 and that it was appreciated.

    20. If you work on a cultural quango DO try to make sure that Scottish culture, particularly Folk and Celtic Music, goes ignored and unfunded. Encourage the output of politically cleansed material which promotes the Union, especially on TV.

    21. If you work in the cultural sector, DO encourage the output of films and theatrical productions which denigrate Scottish culture. Negative, we know, but the key to success is to keep Scots’ national self-esteem down as much as possible. Comedy is particularly effective here as any criticism of it can be pooh-poohed as a lack of sense of humour.

    22. DO infer that Scots just aren’t good enough to govern themselves but DON’T ever put that in writing or you risk a charge of racism.

    23. DO describe the SNP as being the ‘Proddy Party’ to private audiences of Catholics.

    24. DO describe the SNP as being the ‘Papist Party’ to private audiences of Protestants.

    25. DON’T make points 23 and 24 at the same time and once more make sure of your audience first.

    For clarification for the reasoning behind these tips, and for many more, refer to your copy of “The British Unionist’s Handbook”.

    ** IMPORTANT! – READ THIS – IMPORTANT!
    It is vital that this document should only be distributed to true British Unionists. Do not for a split second, think that all those who vote for Unionist parties can be trusted with the information in this document. The vast majority of them only vote for Unionist parties because we have managed to put some sort of doubt in their mind about the viability of an independent Scotland, in their heart of hearts they would still like to see an independent Scotland if they could.

    So make sure this document only gets into the right hands – true, proud, British Unionists who put Britain first, who would be pro-Union even if it definitely meant Scotland would be worse off.

    Remember, we may be in the minority but we are in the right – it is our duty to save Scotland from itself.

    Rule Britannia!
    —————————————————-

  30. piston broke says:

    excellent my friend and true to every word.

  31. Willie B says:

    I have shared this on my facebook, a great read , and apity this wasnt put to every household in Scotland so that the truth could be known

    Siodheal nan Gaidheal agus Saor Alba

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