Who’s choice is it anyway?

I have been listening to the chattering classes this week, and watching them play their form of political chess.
Other than the politicians, I have also been taking note of the wide variety of political commentators spouting forth their various views as normal.
About the only thing that I have concluded from the hubub, is do any of them actually know what they are talking about, and do they have a clue where they are going? So far, I barely think that they do, and I include the SNP in that statement.

There seems to be some sort of consensus that the Unionist side are moving towards a baseline of Devo Plus.
One major stumbling block about any sort of enhanced devolution, by whatever name you call it, is not that they wont put it on the ballot paper, but that they cannot put it on the ballot paper.
In order to have a change in the devolution settlement, Westminster must shape what it entails, and it requires all parts of the UK to have their say. The people of Scotland cannot vote on it, and the Scottish government can neither shape it, nor propose it, nor deliver it.

The Unionist argument seems to be that they will deliver Devo something, but only if Scotland votes to reject independence.
Therefore the people of Scotland are asked to trust that they will keep to their word, and that they will deliver something which is acceptable to the people of Scotland, but we are not allowed to know what that something entails, nor when it would be implemented?
We are being asked to bet on a blind hand against the cards we can see in front of us. Its a bit like that looney game show Noel Edmonds hosts where we are looking at a box which may contain the jackpot or equally it may contain a measly £1 .

The decision we have to make requires much more examination and respect than that!

On the other hand the SNP are beginning to confuse me. What is it that they are proposing exactly?
So far it would appear that they are punting an enhanced Social Union.
They say they want to retain the Queen and the whole Royal shebang, which I assume means retaining Royal patronage, Lords and such like?
They say that they want to remain in the European Union, I think?
They say they want to share Sterling but in doing so would be dependent on the Bank of England setting the rates.
They seem to be suggesting sharing Defense with the rUK and having a small Scottish Defense force.
In short, they seem to be suggesting Independence Lite. Having sole autonomy in some areas, and sharing responsibility for others.

I can only say that they seem to be, because they haven’t as yet clearly set out their objectives. This is their prerogative, and it is their timescale to follow, but they will have to clearly answer all the questions we have, sooner rather than later.

Personally, I want Full Independence.
I don’t want Royalty, I want a Scottish Currency after a set time to allow the mechanisms to be put in place. I want no decision on Europe until we have settled the Independence issue, for that is a major decision on its own. I feel there is an argument for being in Europe but following Norways route of being independent of Europe and paying for shared resources and having separate agreements. But it is open for discussion on what our best course should be.
As far as defence is concerned, I would take our 10% share of the UK forces and go with that, and come to mutual agreements and understandings but be entirely free to make our own decisions.
I know I am not going to get what I want, because the SNP are not standing on the same ground as me, but short of what I want to see, I do want to see them propose more than they currently are.
If we are faced with clear choices, we can better make Clear decisions.

The other talking group of Civic Scotland, are doing just that, talking. One of their group has already separated out, in the shape of Reform Scotland, who are the driving force behind the insipid Devo Plus. The others are not saying much yet.

But as I have been asking, where is the people voice in all this. I dont mean Civic Scotland, I don’t mean the politicians, I don’t mean the media or commentators. I mean ordinary people!
What have we got say about it all? Are we to be forever left chattering on facebook groups? So far it looks like it. Yet it is us who must decide, so let us engage in an open positive way.

About auldacquaintance

I am not a member of any political party. I am however a strong supporter of Scots Independence. Any views which I express in this Blog are purely my own. This Blog intends to be a place where I will be putting my views on Scots Independence. It will primarily concern itself with the upcoming Referendum In Scotland. However It will also be somewhat diverse in the range of day to day issues which are evident to me in modern day Scotland. Not all of it will be political, and indeed may take me off into avenues I am not even aware of yet. Please come and join in on this journey, and any comments are welcome provided they are not abusive! All the best from a new acquaintance! Rod
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10 Responses to Who’s choice is it anyway?

  1. Angus McLellan says:

    It’s best to keep in mind what Michael Collins said about the Anglo-Irish Treaty: “it gives us freedom, not the ultimate freedom that all nations desire and develop to, but the freedom to achieve it”. Achieving independence would only be the start of a long journey and not the end of one.

    • I am well aware of that Angus, and wouldn’t expect otherwise. But I don’t know from an Independence perspective what the SNPs game plan is here? I think they may be playing too cautious and in the process not really spelling things out clearly at times. Either that, or sometimes their spokespeople are not as well briefed as they should be. There is a danger in trying to appease too much, and if they do that, then they will make things harder than they should do.
      I want to see a lot more clarity, but it may be a case of keeping some of their powder dry for the moment?
      Even so….They can’t allow the Unionists to score easy points too often. ‘Scotland Tonight’ last night was a prime example of not arguing the case well.

      • I think you’re making too much of this. We need to sort out two very different issues. One is what I personally call the Independence Settlement issues. These include things like currency, status in the EU, defence forces, share of UK national debt etc. All these issues need to be resolved one way or another before Scotland formally becomes independent. Otherwise there would all kinds of chaos regarding who pays whom and who owes what to whom etc. However once independence is achieved, then are into a new dynamic of the politics within an independent Scotland. And as in other independent countries key political issues will be the currency, our continued involvement in the EU, the size and purpose of our defence forces, do we become a Republic etc. But all these issues can only be resolved after independence. Getting a fair settlement on independence will be difficult enough.

  2. Tris says:

    According to the Krankie woman this morning on radio, there would be another referendum sometime after the independence referendum. The question would then be devo-max or not.

    It seems Mrs Lamont thinks that Scots are too thick headed to manage two questions at one time.

    Amazing when you think how Americans, so many of whose forefathers originated in Scotland, manage a stack of referenda, along with most elections.

    Must be the air here.

  3. Bugger (the Panda) says:

    “We are being asked to bet on a blind hand against the cards we can see in front of us. Its a bit like that looney game show Noel Edmonds hosts where we are looking at a box which may contain the jackpot or equally it may contain a measly £1”

    Actually we are being asked to accept the Euromillions Jackpot or an empty box, to which they promise to add something, maybe, after we knock back the Lotto prize. .

    That just about sums up Cameron’s position to me.

    Thanks for the starter for 10, Bamber!

  4. michael says:

    Don’t panic, there’s two and a half years of this to go. People are worried because the SNP are being quiet at the mo. My feeling is that the pace will get faster when the local elections are past. This is a part of an overall strategy.

    • I am sure it is Michael.
      I have no doubts that they are not running in all guns blazing yet, but I still think that they need to Up their game a tad at this moment in time.

      • Stewart Lang says:

        @ Auldaquaintance: I agree. Linda Fabiani’s performance was woeful, not due to her ability, but because her hands are presumably tied on the info she can use. If we have expert opinion on a subject, then release it. If we don’t have it, don’t claim we do. That just comes back and bites you. The game they are playing allows doubt to be sown in the minds of the undecided, and some of them may not come back.

      • Exactly my thoughts Stewart.

  5. Alex Grant says:

    There is no doubt Eck is playing a long game here. He is trying to ‘flush out’ the Unionist parties to get them to state where they stand. I accept your criticisms but if we continue the debate on the referendum timescale we will reach a point where I hope all the issues about Independence are clarified and we know if this is the alternative to the current status quo? Jam tomorrow is a non starter and we will either get a commitment to an alternative (unlikely?) or not. If the latter surely this will expose the Unionist ‘promise/lie’ for what it is and force people to vote accordingly?
    As I keep saying we will have to point to voters (in a one question referendum) if you vote No don’t expect ‘jam’, expect retribution!!!!!

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