The SNP will NOT win their Independence Referendum!

I can say categorically here and now that the SNP will not win their Independence referendum. I have absolutely no doubts on this matter whatsoever.

I was visiting my sister and brother in law earlier on today, and as usual my brother in law was wanting to have a wee snipe at my support for Scottish Independence.
To put you into the picture, he is former British Army, served Queen and Country,and all that. His paper of choice is the Daily Mail,and dislikes Alex Salmond and the SNP with a vengeance. Needless to say he is also strongly against Scotland becoming Independent.

He knows full well that he will always force a disagreement with me when he regurgitates the rubbish spouted by his favourite paper as if it were actual fact. It wouldn’t matter a jot how often I pointed out that he was regurgitating nonsense without basis of fact, he still continues to persist.

So onto today’s episode of a long running saga:

BinLaw: “So do you think that the SNP will win their Independence referendum?”

Me: ” It is not the SNPs Independence referendum”

I went on to talk about yesterdays debate between Alistair Darling representing the Anti-Independence campaign and Blair Jenkins head of the YES campaign, on the BBC daily politics programme, where Darling had tried to attack Alex Salmond and the SNP, over the question, of whether or not Alex Salmond had received Legal advice on Europe.
To which Blair Jenkins had rightly replied, that it was not for him or the YES campaign to comment on,as he was not part of the SNP, or representing the Scottish Government, and that he was only interested in discussing Independence.
I further went on to explain to him that the YES campaign, represented all the people in Scotland, obviously the SNP, but also other political parties, such as the Scottish Greens, SSP and others.I further stated that many from other political parties, such as the Scottish Labour for Independence group, and a whole host of people who belonged to no political party whatsoever were involved.
In short, that the YES campaign simply stands for everyone that believes that Independence for Scotland is a good thing. That would Include me, as I am not a member of a political party, but I strongly support Independence. Therefore the Independence referendum did not solely belong to the SNP.

To which by brother in law responded; ” Yes, but do you think that the SNP will win their Independence referendum?”

Me; (figuratively slapping my head at this response!) ” I have just explained that the SNP do not own the Independence referendum, nor Indeed Independence itself, it belongs to us all”

BinLaw: ” Yes but you are not saying if you think whether the SNP will win their Independence referendum or not”

(Help! Give me strength.)

Me: ” The SNP do not own the Independence referendum, but will we win the Independence referendum? Yes I think we will.”

BinLaw: ” Well I don’t think the SNP will win their Independence referendum”

Me: ” Neither do I”

You can see where the problem is coming from, can’t you?
My brother in law is by no means alone in his assertion that Independence means the SNP. I have spoken to numerous people who said that they will not be supporting Independence because they don’t like Alex Salmond or they don’t like the SNP.
I am not at all surprised by their attitude,and it is easy to see how they think as they do.

The Media,the Press and the Better Together anti-Independence campaign, which is politically led and driven,has made it their business to polarise the debate purely on party political lines. They have all conspired to paint Independence as the SNP, and have directed their attacks on the SNP specifically.
Hence why we see this constant concerted barrage of attacks by them, on Alex Salmond and the SNP. Their motive is pure and simple, discredit the SNP and they succeed in discrediting Independence.
By polarising the debate in this way, they also succeed in limiting the debate to one political parties policies,and don’t need to take other viewpoints into account. It is also a useful tool to divide the populace on tribally political lines, namely that fervent Labour supporters go against it because of the animosity between labour and the SNP.

I have been complaining for a long time now, that the debate has to involve people from all perspectives in Scottish life, that this is not a party political issue,and the people of Scotland need to be involved and made to feel they own it.
Yes..The SNP are the biggest political party to support Independence,and it is right that they take their place in the debate,and that without the SNP gaining the support it has, we would not have the opportunity to have the referendum. But we must stop this hijacking of the referendum by the political parties, and the YES campaign will hopefully succeed in doing just that.

What we cannot afford to do, is to let the media and the anti-Independence mob continue as they have been doing, otherwise we are in real danger of far too many people thinking as my brother in law does.
The ordinary person in the street needs to know that this is about them,and that they all own the Independence referendum,they all have a part in it,and that it is their own Independence that they should be fighting for…Not some politically manipulated claptrap.

YES for Scotland
YES for yourself!


About auldacquaintance

I am not a member of any political party. I am however a strong supporter of Scots Independence. Any views which I express in this Blog are purely my own. This Blog intends to be a place where I will be putting my views on Scots Independence. It will primarily concern itself with the upcoming Referendum In Scotland. However It will also be somewhat diverse in the range of day to day issues which are evident to me in modern day Scotland. Not all of it will be political, and indeed may take me off into avenues I am not even aware of yet. Please come and join in on this journey, and any comments are welcome provided they are not abusive! All the best from a new acquaintance! Rod
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27 Responses to The SNP will NOT win their Independence Referendum!

  1. Marian says:

    There’s nothing that will derail Darling’s NO campaign more than people like Blair Jenkins appearing on TV arguing for independence, for the whole unionist campaign is built on trying to prove that independence is the sole brainchild of Alex Salmond and a few others in the SNP and no one else.

    This is why they have spent so much time and effort smearing and vilifying the SNP leadership since their “campaign” started.

    One of the very best weapons the Yes campaign can deploy is to have a long line of non SNP people like Blair Jenkins appearing on TV making eloquent arguments in favour of independence.

    • Jim says:

      That is so true.
      I would also suggest a bit more “bite” to SNP responses in both the debating chamber, newspaper interview and the TV/radio studio. We are overly polite in our responses to obvious lies – Say it is a lie, not “spin” or “propaganda” and tell them to “sue” if they have proof. STOP PUSSY-FOOTING AROUND !

      • Ken Johnston says:

        Just what I have been saying for months.
        I watched an SNP spokesman on Newsnicht quite a few months ago defending their defence policy.
        Essentially what he said was, we’ll be all right.
        What he should have said Scotland has been paying for defense procurement for 300 years. Should we not get 8-10% of the hardware since we’ve paid for it on Independence. Did we not sacrifice a quarter of all Scots who fought in WW 1. Was our death rate not 26% against 11% for the rest of the ENTIRE British Empire Army.
        And as Jim says, lets call a lie a lie, cut out the euphemisms.

  2. BillDunblane says:

    Your BinLaw’s name isn’t Don is it? πŸ˜‰

    • Don would be my brother…and he is pro independence but doesn’t get a vote unfortunately.

      • BillDunblane says:

        Joking aside, you are absolutely right on the button. De-politicising (or de-partying) the debate, strips the unionists of just about all of their possible arguments. I AM a member of the SNP, and an activist, but agree it is the YES campaign that we need to rally support for, to gain what for all of us, regardless of political viewpoint, is the ultimate goal.

      • Absolutely..We need to spike their guns…and force the argument away from party politics.. As long as we let them hold this ground..we are giving them an advantage they should not have…So I would plead with every member of the SNP and every other political party supporting Independence to focus all our efforts on the YES campaign…Together we can do this!

  3. Boorach says:

    There’s none so blind than those who will not see!
    There’s none so deaf than those who will not hear!
    There’s none so dense than those who will not understand!

    But don’t tar all ex-servicemen with the same brush Rod. I did 24 years in the army myself and I can assure you I’m as pro independence as your good self.

  4. Macart says:

    My own brother, 17 years in service, has absolutely no doubts about independence. Never one to be backward about coming forward with an opinion. Just say AYE bruv, he growls. A man of few words dontchaknow. πŸ™‚

    All parties and no parties, personality doesn’t come into it.

  5. Macart says:

    I think you’re fully aware of just how accurate that conversation model sounds. πŸ˜€

    Getting serious though, your Binlaw is a perfect example of the type of voter the current better together tactics aim for. With little or no reasoning, no fact, simple character assassination, a smidge of slander, a tank load of baseless scaremongering and a receptive cynic. Hey presto you have…. ‘don’t trust that wee fat jowly eck and HIS independence referendum’. It doesn’t seem to compute that the very cynicism aimed at the FM and constitutional politics in general, is grounded in the actions of (mainly) Westminster politicians and their practices first and foremost. I’m willing to bet a tube of smarties, that if pressed on his reasoning behind his mistrust of independence, the SG et al, your binlaw’s response would read back, word for word, like every headline or soundbite from the msm you’ve ever seen.

  6. panda paws says:

    Absolutely true. One of Bitter Tegethers main strategies will be pretending that independence is about Salmond and the SNP. That’s why Jenkins and Labour for Indy etc are SO important. We “cybernats” over at the Guardian hammer the message about independence is not party political as much as we can but the mythology persists. It’s going to be a long, hard fight to get that yes vote,

  7. David McCann says:

    You are so right. Hardly a day goes by when the media have someone from the SNP to explain this and that. The policies of the SNP although relevant, have nothing to do with how a future independent Scotland will be run. We need people like Tommy Brennan, David Hayman, Lesley Riddoch in discussion panels, to articulate why they want independemce. Independence is a belief system, not a catalogue of policy documents.
    I love ths we quotation I came across and which I used in the comments on the Herald recently. Feel free to copy and paste .
    β€œWhen the white missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said ‘Let us pray.’ We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land”.
    ~ Desmond Tutu.
    We closed our eyes in 1707.
    In 2014 we will have the opportunity to open them again.

  8. David McCann says:

    BTW. Apologies for the spelling mistakes above. I meant to say, you must take a look at Bill’s website (he is too shy by half!)
    I particularly enjoyed his links to ‘Hoots’, ‘Greets’ and ‘Politics’ pagesΒ 

    • BillDunblane says:

      Thanks for the plug David – I wondered where all the site ‘hits’ were coming from today!

      I only do what I can – many (like this blog) write much more eloquently than I can do, so a bit of humour (and sadness) is a slightly different way of getting our message across.

      All of us fighting for the same cause.. πŸ˜‰

  9. Dave McEwan Hill says:

    I may still be in a minority but I think we have to establish not only that the unionists tell lies (and they have given us a few corkers recently ) but we also have to to establish very firmly and very publicly that those who believe the lies are fools.
    Nothing is likelier to send people against the NO campaign than a belief that they have been taken for fools

    • I disagree…There is nothing surer to put people off, than telling them they are fools!
      If someone calls you a fool, are you going to take kindly to anything else they have to say? I doubt it!
      In most part, people are not fools, they will see through things eventually.
      It is just much harder for them, If they keep getting told by the press/media/ and anti independence people a whole load of junk.
      It is much easier to point out gently what to look for…Eventually they get it!
      Please don’t go about calling people fools, they will feel foolish enough when they find things out for themselves, without anyone telling them they are stupid.

      • I agree with you! However, there is maybe another way to prove they are wrong! I believe that the other media, like Facebook, are a kind of stimulant for people who want to denounce such a behaviour and false facts!

  10. Dave McEwan Hill says:

    Of course you don’t tell them they are fools. That is not what Iam saying
    I wouldn’t suggest anything like that
    You let them work it out for themselves that believing some of the stuff put before them could only be believed by fools – and that those serving it up to them must think they are serving it up to fools.
    There are dozens of ways of doing this.
    “Haw Wullie. Would you believe it?. I met a guy today who actually believes that England is hanging onto us to subsidise us”
    “Haw Wullie, Would you believe it. That wee guy is daft enough to believe the lies that the oil is gonna run out next Xmas. Just as well we know better, eh?”
    If we establish that the arguments against us are an insult to informed and intelligent people and can only be believed by fools the job is done

  11. Brian Hill says:

    I think the word THEIR should have been bold rather than NOT to emphasise your point as raised in the piece.


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