Carrots and Sticks are for Donkeys

It is very much a rarity for me to attack a person because of their politics,irrespective of how much I may disagree with their point of view, but today I will make an exception to that rule.
I cannot stomach this mans politics, but other than that, I also find Ian Davidson Labour MP for Govan an absolutely vile individual. He really is an extremely obnoxious excuse for a human being.
I have never in my life before heard an MP wish mass redundancy on a huge slice of his constituents unless the country agreed to vote No to Independence. Not only did he express this view in a media briefing, but then he asked during Prime Ministers question time to confirm that the ship building contract for the Clyde be reversed and rewarded to Portsmouth should Scotland vote YES for Independence. Bad enough that BAe are shedding nearly 1800 across the Uk, 800 of these in Scotland, without wishing the Scottish yards to close and his constituents made redundant.
I would suggest that the constituents of govan make this bully boy redundant at the earliest opportunity! His attitude being that if he loses his cosy £100k a year number in Westminster because of a YES vote, he will try his damnedest to take down as many as possible innocent people with him.

The UK government have been caught between a rock and a hard place on this one, and I think that we can be very sure that had Portsmouth the facilities, the expertise and the quality of the Clyde yards, then BAe would be retaining it instead. BAe is however a commercial organisation, and with the cutbacks being forced on its previous contract with the MoD, it had effectively first and foremost made its decision quite a while ago which of its three major shipbuilding sites it wished to retain,and at least 18months ago it had indicated that the Clyde ship yards were its preferred option.

Somehow or another this loss of jobs, in Scotland as well as in Portsmouth has been used by some unionist MPS and the media as being because of the Scottish referendum an that this was a political decision, when primarily it wasn’t.

Davidson and co have been getting themselves into a lather over this, and trying to insist that shipbuilding contract is only grace and favour for the Scots, and should Scotland become Independent, then the deal is off the table. In effect Blackmail…vote YES and we will make you suffer.
Yehh sure…they having awarded the contract to BAe are now going to tell BAe that their main yards are not to be used, and that they have to spend millions upgrading the mothballed shipyard at Portsmouth instead?

On the other hand they are trying to make out that only the UK can keep these yards open, that an Independent Scotland which will have to build its own vessels can’t!
As has been rightly pointed out elsewhere BAe is a global organisation with contracts all over the world. There is also the opportunity for diversification into other fields other than war ship building, and this is the road to travel for the future.

A whole load of utter garbage has also been spouted about Royal Navy vessels only being built in the UK, when they have already had support vessels built in Korea, and as recently as 2011 the UK government were in talks with India with the possible intention of getting India to build its type 26 frigate, and yet we are somehow to believe that the Clyde will lose out should we vote for Independence? The only reason for such a reversal would be pure spite! If that is the sort of partner and neighbour we have, then we are better off without them.

But last word for today is for the outburst of pure honesty from David Cameron at prime ministers question time… ” If Scotland was independent “we” wouldn’t have any ships at all ”
It would seem that is going to be the case, but I somehow doubt that he quite meant what he said.

As for Davidson and co….. Carrots and sticks are for donkeys, and I suspect that you will find out to your cost that most of us Scots are no donkeys!

The Type 26 and India

About auldacquaintance

I am not a member of any political party. I am however a strong supporter of Scots Independence. Any views which I express in this Blog are purely my own. This Blog intends to be a place where I will be putting my views on Scots Independence. It will primarily concern itself with the upcoming Referendum In Scotland. However It will also be somewhat diverse in the range of day to day issues which are evident to me in modern day Scotland. Not all of it will be political, and indeed may take me off into avenues I am not even aware of yet. Please come and join in on this journey, and any comments are welcome provided they are not abusive! All the best from a new acquaintance! Rod
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3 Responses to Carrots and Sticks are for Donkeys

  1. Michael Mouse says:

    Some wee insider details.

    1) The Korean RFAs are en entirely different kettle of fish from Carriers, Frigates and Destroyers. They are basically civilian ships which the Koreans can build cost-effectively. (Also Govan/Scotstoun didn’t have the capacity to build them while also building T45, QEC). Warships are a different kettle of fish. You want to be able to oversee their design and build closely.

    2) The Indian Type 26s are a red herring. T26 will be an RN platform. BAES are seeking to diversify beyond its sole UK customer. Global Combat Ship is an attempt to sell customised variants, based on the Type 26 but customised according to some kind of modular build concept. The details are tbd. It is likely that foreign customers – such as the Indians – will be attracted by offers to help them build up their capacity to the extent that they can do some of the configuring. India will not be building T26s.

    3) The Davidson Clause is obviously evil pish. Once our Portsmouth comrades are thrown on the scrapheap, the capacity to build warships there is gone. The focus has been on consolidating capacity in Glasgow – hence the transfer of the Carrier modules an awarding of the OPV contacts to tide us over until a T26 contract. Perhaps a miracle will happen and the nation will decide it can afford as many as currently planned.

    4) HOWEVER we should not be too cocky. Even though we have the capacity in Scotland, there will be other options for the UK govt. So far BAE Systems has been extremely good at blackmailing them into derogating from competition rules. But at what stage does push come to shove? Note, for example that France makes the world-beating La Fayette class frigate which has been sold lo likes of Singapore with all sorts off bells and whistles far in excess of our capability. Germany builds good warships. So does Italy. Those guys are good at exporting.

    I’m afraid there’s been a lot of confusion about these issues on all sides. I hope these facts give a more solid perspective.

  2. Tony Duffy says:

    Well said – I can hardly believe he has been stupid enough (and immoral) to take this line -but he has. He is indeed a disgrace not only to his party but to humanity.

  3. Indeed it looks like first a bribe coupled with a threat,encouraged by the local M.P. How many other bribes will there be in the next 11 months and how many will believe them? After the MOD fiasco of ’74 when Glasgow was promised that the H.Q. would be moved there,only to have that promise withdrawn after we lost 7 M.P.,s the threat of the SNP was lessened so no need to keep that promise.Then the vote we won in ’79,again a sneaky Labour man and a Scotsman to boot,slid in the 40% rule which counted even prisoners to vote no,because they were registered at an address the dead also voted no,can we trust Labour? not a chance I’m still waiting for their next con trick to fiddle the result.I do think most will see through this bribe,threat and fiddle game that they play.There is one part that worries me though,we still hear of people saying “well my dad voted Labour so I vote Labour” the key part there is when the Labour party come out and tell people to vote no how many will follow that lead? Still I am certain that this time 3rd time lucky we will regain our independence and dissolve this union.Moan over.

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