The Times They are a Changin(with SNP Warning)

Being offered the choice between a Hard Brexit and a Soft Brexit is like being being given the choice between whether you want constipation or diarrhoea  . Neither option is either desirable or wanted.
Yet this is exactly what Scots are being offered or told that we must accept, despite the fact that we have already taken our Anti Yoon SNP tablets in an attempt to avoid such terminal discomforts.

Yet here we are… having given the SNP our mandate to have another Independence referendum, in the event of Westminster dragging us out of the EU against our wishes.

The SNP put it as such in their manifesto prior to this years Holyrood elections “‘The Scottish Parliament should have the right to hold another referendum…if there is a significant and material change in the circumstances that prevailed in 2014, such as Scotland being taken out of the EU against our will”

Now that is pretty clear isn’t it?
The circumstances have arisen, we are being taken out of the EU against our will, and thus the mandate for the SNP government is absolutely clear. Thus the SNP have every right to call another Independence Referendum, the terms of 2014 have been breached.
We were categorically told that If Scotland voted YES we would be kicked out of the EU and the only way to be sure of preventing this from happening was if we voted to remain with the UK.
We were miss sold a material component of the contract, thus the contract becomes null and void. The product or service is returned or put right, and we either walk away from the deal or we renegotiate it. What we do not do is carry on with the contract without any resolution, and more particularly so if the service or product is likely to cause us damage.
In this case..We want our money back! Indeed we should be asking for compensation.

Let me put it this way..
The service sold to us was as follows:

Remain in the Union Club: which will provide the following benefits and insure against the probable pitfalls of the inferior service which is being offered of Independence.

Your status of being an equal and valued partner in the club will be protected.
Your status in the world will be enhanced through the clubs representation in the executive bodies top tables of all the world organisations. In particular the EU league with all its added benefits. Should you choose the inferior independence option you will lose all such benefits and kicked out of the league. You can insure against such catastrophe by signing up with the UK Gold card membership.

Gilt edged Executive Card and Signed Certificate called “The Vow” reproduced for you on the finest second hand newsprint available.
The “Vow” Executive Card provides for you nearly all the benefits of the Inferior Independence product, falling just short of full Independence itself.
It has been guaranteed by the highly trusted very Highest Brown standard which has been countersigned by all the YOON C.E.O’s  of the Internationally acclaimed Westminster rUK Plc.
All the full benefits of this Card will be set in motion to be implemented in their entirety within 6months of the contract being signed, otherwise Big Gordy will go absolutely mental Apeshit and Malkie everyone in Westminster Ltd.
YOU CAN TRUST IN THE VOW…And That’s a Vow…..(fingers crossed behind the back)

Other projects will be fully protected under this scheme include the following..
The protection and investment in renewable energy (nope!)
carbon capture programmes (nope!)                                                                                  protection of pensions (nope!)
protection of jobs in HMRC (nope!)
ensure Scottish shipyards got orders for 13 frigates (nope!)
and prevent tax cuts for businesses (nope!).

Help your neighbour feel good bonuses will be included…
Stay in the UK to prevent decades of Conservative rule; stay and help Labour  and we’ll fight the Conservatives together.
If you choose the Inferior Independence model you will be responsible for condemning your poor English and Welsh neighbours to decades of Tory austerity..Don’t do will feel utterly guilty and responsible for their plight!

Remember….The Independence model threatens your benefits hugely from EU infrastructure projects, from EU tourism, from EU research funding and from EU nationals: while the catastrophic removal from the EU will do massive damage to your economy.
Be Safe and sign up with us! We will prevent such catastrophes from occurring.

Further dangers are associated with the inferior Independence model:
Your elderly will lose their currently generous pensions and will have to sign up for foodbanks.
Major Business will leave causing mass unemployment, resulting in huge damage to your bank account and send your overdraft into bankruptcy and you wont have a bean to your name.
The Independence model is highly toxic and unreliable full of all sorts of unseen and unknown faults. Our far superior product preserves you from all such calamities.
Your monopoly Jock money will be utterly worthless, even more mickey mouse than at present.
Nothing you have is of any value, even that back sticky stuff is utterly worthless and running out.
You will be imprisoned behind a Big wall and nobody will want to know you.
And lastly…You wont be allowed the dodgy Independence product anyway!

Be Safe..Be Better…Be Together.. With Us

Sign here: ……..

There can be absolutely no doubt….We were sold the biggest Con job of all time. These Red,Yellow and Blue Tories certainly managed to put the Con into Conservative!

A contract such as this….(and this is exactly what you were signing when you put your X in the box), would be laughed out of court if we were talking about a contract for a service provision. In no way could the contract be held as being safe. Particularly so with the imminent dangerous faults in it. Products have been recalled for much less…Eat your heart out Samsung 7.

So Yes…The SNP government have every right to claim that they have a mandate to call another Independence referendum. There has been far more than one material change of circumstance occurred.

As soon as Article 50 is signed to begin the process of bringing us out of the EU against the will of the Scottish people, they may begin the process of naming the date of the next Independence referendum.
But the question I ask myself is this…
Given that the Vow was ripped to shreds, and the Smith Commission watered it down even further. Given that Scottish MPs cannot any longer take full part of the decisions of the House of Commons due to EVEL, while English MPs can vote on Scots issues without hindrance and vote down everything Scots MPs vote for on Scottish matters, surely the conditions of the Acts of Union have been breached!
Material Breaches have already occurred, so they could call a new Independence referendum Immediately.

I am sure that the SNP have their reasons for not calling one immediately, namely the concern that they may not be in a position to win it yet. So I can understand their caution in the matter, a further loss would be fatal.

However what does concern me is their language recently.
The promise of an Imminent Bill for a Scottish Independence referendum may send the party faithful into raptures, but it is only in itself setting out the details for calling a referendum, it does not promise It will be implemented! Nor does it name a date for doing so.

The language while understandably cautious given that neither they or anyone know what measures are planned by Westminster, nor the full potential impact of whatever they intend, hard brexit or soft brexit. Hard brexit which would mean taking us out of the single market entirely would certainly trigger a Scottish Independence referendum.
A soft brexit would in some shape or form allow access to the EU single market while taking us out of the EU, and with it my concern at the SNP language.
This concentration by Nicola Sturgeon on access to the single market rather than the EU, and Angus Robertsons comments as the newly elected deputy leader of the SNP on Sunday politics today are a concern. When pressed by Gordon Brewer on whether the Independence referendum threat would be withdrawn,Robertson said in effect that if the conditions were met and access to the single market were guaranteed then there would be no need for one and it would be withdrawn.

Let me remind you again of the wording in the SNP manifesto….

‘The Scottish Parliament should have the right to hold another referendum…if there is a significant and material change in the circumstances that prevailed in 2014, such as Scotland being taken out of the EU against our will”

It clearly says the EU, not the single market which is but a part of the EU.
So I ask…..What are they playing at?

So let me make something perfectly clear to the SNP leadership, as you threaten Westminster with an Independence referendum should they be intransigent and not pay heed to the majority will of the Scottish people to remain in the EU, the SNP will also be under threat if they back out of Independence for a lesser backdoor deal with Westminster. Even moderates like myself will be turning their backs on them for reneging on Independence!

Fine words are all good and well, but they are worthless without the action to go with them.

As for those Unionists who claim that somehow Scots having decided by majority to remain in the UK back in 2014 by voting in the referendum and therefore were not entitled to have another one can pull the other leg. What must be understood is that Scots were not signing up to throw away their right to self determination. If Scots want another referendum we shall have one. It may be sooner than the once in a generation opportunity it was thought to be, but then again we were not to know the full extent of the pack of lies that we were sold back then! We know now.

Another Scottish Independence referendum we shall surely have, and God help anyone that tries to stop us exercising our democratic sovereign rights.

As Bob Dylan was awarded the Nobel Prize for literature, and in celebration of the achievements of a further 2 Scots to add to our long list of Nobel Prize winners too.
A nod to Bob and a reminder to those who would seek to prevent change for their own selfish ends.

The Times They Are a-Changin’
Come gather ’round people where ever you roam
And admit that the waters around you have grown
And accept it that soon you’ll be drenched to the bone
If your time to you is worth savin’
Then you better start swimmin’ or you’ll sink like a stone,
For the times they are a’ changin’!
Come writers and critics who prophesy with your pen
And keep your eyes wide the chance won’t come again
And don’t speak too soon for the wheel’s still in spin
And there’s no tellin’ who that it’s namin’
For the loser now will be later to win
For the times they are a’ changin’!
Come senators, congressmen please heed the call
Don’t stand in the doorway don’t block up the hall
For he that gets hurt will be he who has stalled
There’s a battle outside and it’s ragin’
It’ll soon shake your windows and rattle your walls
For the times they are a’ changin’!
Come mothers and fathers throughout the land
And don’t criticize what you can’t understand
Your sons and your daughters are beyond your command
Your old road is rapidly agin’
Please get out of the new one if you can’t lend your hand
For the times they are a’ changin’!
The line it is drawn the curse it is cast
The slow one now will later be fast
As the present now will later be past
The order is rapidly fadin’
And the first one now will later be last
For the times they are a’ changin’!
 Bob Dylan


About auldacquaintance

I am not a member of any political party. I am however a strong supporter of Scots Independence. Any views which I express in this Blog are purely my own. This Blog intends to be a place where I will be putting my views on Scots Independence. It will primarily concern itself with the upcoming Referendum In Scotland. However It will also be somewhat diverse in the range of day to day issues which are evident to me in modern day Scotland. Not all of it will be political, and indeed may take me off into avenues I am not even aware of yet. Please come and join in on this journey, and any comments are welcome provided they are not abusive! All the best from a new acquaintance! Rod
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12 Responses to The Times They are a Changin(with SNP Warning)

  1. Neil Ralley says:

    You make some excellent points. Full membership of the EU carries with it many rights and obligations which would not apply in case of some kind of access to the single market. Unless the UK government decides not to Brexit and simply revert to status quo – IMO highly unlikely, though possible – then taking Scotland out of the EU would constitute the type of breach which would warrant an Indyref2. In light of that the SNP should begin making all necessary preparations for that event.

  2. If my memory serves me correctly a contract can be,Written,verbal or implied,by signing up to life in the UK there is an implied contract that all that they claimed we would have or be able to hold can be proven.Just thought I’d fire that wee snippet in for talking’s sake.Example of implied handing over your fare on a bus and without speaking have a ticket issued,that is implied.

    • There was no implication whatsoever by agreeing to remain with the Union in 2014 that it bound us to it for any length of time . Even if it did imply a length of time the mere fact that the provisions of the contract have been broken,and proved to have been drawn up under false pretenses is enough to tear it up.
      In any case, under Scots Law which is entirely independent of Westminster and remained so at the treaty of Union, and has never been subject to it since….The people of Scotland are sovereign and it is with the people that such decisions take precedence

  3. Reblogged this on charlesobrien08 and commented:
    If my memory serves me correctly a contract can be,Written,verbal or implied,by signing up to life in the UK there is an implied contract that all that they claimed we would have or be able to hold can be proven.Just thought I’d fire that wee snippet in for talking’s sake.Example of implied handing over your fare on a bus and without speaking have a ticket issued,that is implied.

  4. Alan says:

    I think it’s a wee bit of a tactic to appear as the more reasonable party. For it’s almost certain by now that a soft Brexit is off the menu. The EU will not split freedom of movement and the single market. Theresa May will not be able to sell keeping freedom of movement to the rUK electorate. Norway will not let the UK into EFTA.

    So the single market is gone. The SNP have chosen it as a red line which the Tory government cannot cross without abandoning their “mandate for Brexit” and generating an enormous backlash in England. The day Article 50 is triggered, it’s all over.

    The only danger here is that the SNP threw this red line down before Article 50 was triggered. If the Tories backstab Theresa May in, say, February… If Parliament gets its vote on Brexit and disagrees with the negotiations… If an early general election is somehow called…

    • Which is exactly the main concern here, If as is seems perfectly possible, the backlash by Europhile Tories conbined with Labour and the SNP pushing too hard for the Single market Soft Brexit option, could well force the Tory Government to rethink and compromise on the Singke market…In which case the reason for forcing Indyref has gone….because SNP have made the Single Market rather than EU exit the Red Line… Worrying

  5. AlDundee says:

    Here is a wee low ball for you. Yes we all want indy, but we need to be prepared this time. Last time was a shambles. Get a currency sorted, international affairs sorted even plans for defence planned.

    Doing the same thing again will produce a similar result. Very little has been done since the last indyref. Yes there are fundamental changes in both the EU but also in oil price and GDP. Sharing the £ is also far more attractive now! She also hasn’t really done much to help the oil industry, many of us out here have been paid off or are being paid off.

    Now, on the EU. We voted to remain in the UK, the UK is the member of the EU and the UK voted to leave this rotten union, we now need to get out of the second rotten union. We will never gain full independence being in unions that control our borders, trade and laws.

    You throw about the majority voted to remain. That is actually correct on the day, but incorrect in general terms and when it comes to an indy vote.

    First off many vote remain purely because Ms S promised an indy ref should England drag us out of the EU, although many did want out and did this purely for selfish purposes for our own indy. I tip my hat to them but it does produce a false result.

    Secondly, on the day, only 37% of the entire Scottish population voted to remain. Bearing in mind 45% voted yes last time, there is an immediate potential to lose yes voters should the threat be to take us back in to the EU upon a yes vote. There is also a potential within that 37% of many voting remain purely because of the promise made by Ms S. The promise, as you point out, has indeed been rescinded by all accounts and now depends on the single market.

    What if she knows that a second indyref just now may fail, especially if she uses the EU as a pretence? Hence the changing parameters? At very least she MUST secure a currency plan. I am greatly disappointed that nothing has been done.

    • I tend to agree with much that you say, or at least don’t fundamentally disagree.
      I would certainly hope that they have done more in regards to the matters that you raise, although I suspect also that they weren’t anticipating or perhaps not wanting to have a re run so soon. But that said, if they are serious about having a second Indy ref they had better get their skates on.
      Full Independence of the type that you speak of is very rare in this day and age in the global market place, not saying that it isn’t achievable but it is much rarer than it once was.
      I am not sure whether I agree with you or disagree with you on your point on EU support, I am not aware of any figures which point to much reduction in EU support. Although I do agree that there were some who voted remain in the hope of seeing the current scenario.
      In any case as I pointed out in a recent piece, it would be foolhardy to base the next referendum on the EU.
      The point which I have struggled to get across to some, is that there are a significant number who voted YES but also voted Leave that say they will vote NO if it means pulling us back into the EU. I don’t agree that is a good premise by them, but it is a real one.
      I was not anticipating that a new referendum would be called until Article 50 was actioned so I am not overly perturbed that one hasn’t been called yet. However, I am wary at some of the language that has been used recently and It makes me wonder what their objective actually is?

    • Neil Ralley says:

      Not sure I agree about “sharing the £ is also far more attractive now!” The pound looks destined to head south after Brexit and I don’t think it wise to plan on anything that hinges on Westminster’s help or cooperation. Continued membership of the EU may require adoption of the Euro but otherwise a Scottish pound, pegged to a major currency, is probably the best bet.

      IMO what is really needed is a simple explanation of how the whole thing can be made affordable, taking into account all the major fiscal changes (defence, Trident, savings in government, savings in maintaining a different overseas presence etc etc) and assuming flat or even declining oil revenues and allowing for reasonable national borrowing. I feel confident that the numbers can be made to balance and make sense, there are many countries in Europe and elsewhere which have much weaker economies than Scotland. However, make no mistake, it is this economic justification which will be the deciding factor when it comes to the referendum.

      • The economy argunents certainly had a part to play in the last referendum, but the arguments made by the BT mob were mostly succesfully challenged other than the currency issue which was an absolute mess.
        The main factor in play was the Fear and Doubt tactics which also played well for those South of the Border in the EU referendum. The economy argument was much better than the leave argument for the remainers, but fear of immigration played much stronger.
        The encouragement of baser instincts by both negative campaigns also played a significant part, with much more unsavoury attitudes and results carrying on afterwards in the South after the EU referendum.
        In our Indy campaign although the constant stream of negative rubbish was intellectually debunked, the emotional fear factors stuck with many who voted NO. That coupled with emotional attachment of the Queen and Country mob was enough to swing it.
        We can be guaranteed a much greater onslaught this time of that rubbish and we need to combat it. Although we will never succeed in swaying those irrational attached to the Union flag, we can sway the genuine ones who were caught up with the fear last time. And this we must do in order to win

      • bringiton says:

        The UK needs embassies and all the rest of the paraphernalia associated with an independent great power because it retains that pretence.
        Initially,assuming Scotland would be welcome as an independent state within the EU,all that we would need is a presence in Brussels.
        Everything else can be decided at a future date.
        Setting up a trade mission in Berlin is a good starting point.
        Scotland will always act as part of a cooperative in international affairs which will help to spread the financial burden around so will not be saddled with the debts incurred by the UK.
        We believe in inter national cooperation,unlike our southern neighbour.

    • Alan says:

      You’re ignoring the polls which asked Scots’ preferences for their ideal situation. See Arc of Prosperity –

      The two pro-EU groups add up to 61%. The two pro-UK groups add up to 51%. Both are within statistical variation of the EU ref result and more recent IndyRef polling, plus 5% of don’t knows.

      If you’re claiming that Remain only got 37% of the Scottish population, then it’s only fair to point out Leave only got 25% here too. That crap trick works both ways. Nobody gets to claim the non-voters.

      It was a tough call, but it looks like the SNP has decided that they’re going for the blue and green tribes(see Arc link above); they add up to 61%. As opposed to blue and yellow(only 44%). And why not? It’s the green tribe of 28% that decided No last time, when it was widely put about that a No vote would preserve EU membership amongst other things. Now this 28% is politically homeless and unless offered a way to choose Europe, they’ll all end up in the UK camp again.

      I’m really sorry for the eurosceptics in Scotland who want to be out of the EU and UK, particularly those who campaigned hard for Yes last time. But nothing stops your group setting up a Scottish Independence Party with the aim of leaving the EU. Be certain – such a party would experience a lot more success after a vote to leave the UK throws the unionist parties into further disarray, as well as finally splitting the SNP’s broad church. More than UKIP is getting in Scotland, anyway.

      It comes down to this – is the principle of being in or out of the EU stronger than the principle that Scotland should decide for itself?

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