Ditch Independence Referendum

With all the uncertainty and piling on of debt associated with Brexit from this Conservative government,how much longer can we wait for them to begin to sort out what they are going to do about Article 50?
They have now increased debt to the stage that it is approaching 2 trillion pounds.
They are now borrowing further billions as announced by chancellor Hammond yesterday and giving Scotland a fraction of it to pay back to them.
Stubbornly they refuse to ask for the approval of parliament to examine their Brexit intentions and are heading back to the Supreme Court in the next couple of weeks to challenge the English High Courts judgement. Only this time Scotland gets involved in the case proclaiming the Scottish Claim of Right must be allowed so that the Scottish Government has a say.

The mess turns into a muddle and guddle and threatens to take everyone down with it.

It could well be the case that if the Condervatives are unsuccesful in their appeal and may decide to try and force an early general election to allow them to have their way.
Given the state that Labour is in these days, I would suggest that the Torys would probably increase their majority in England and leave us all at their mercy.
The thought doesn’t bear thinking about.

Should matters take that course of events, perhaps we should forget about having a second Scottish Independence referendum?
Instead… if the SNP have the gumption for it, they should go all out on seeking a mandate for Independence.
By making Independence the whole purpose of their manifesto it means that should they get a majority of MPs elected to Westminster Scotland has voted to become Independent without a specific referendum. Thatcher recognised this to be the case, but nobody at the time thought it remotely liable to happen.
Now it very much is possible if not probable?
All the YES supporters of all shades would pile onto voting for the SNP while the Unionists would be divided on who to vote for.
Many Scottish Labour Unionists would not vote Tory if Hell froze over, no matter the consequences. Many Torys would not vote Labour if it meant possibly losing the Tory majority in Westminster.

Something to think about is it not?

About auldacquaintance

I am not a member of any political party. I am however a strong supporter of Scots Independence. Any views which I express in this Blog are purely my own. This Blog intends to be a place where I will be putting my views on Scots Independence. It will primarily concern itself with the upcoming Referendum In Scotland. However It will also be somewhat diverse in the range of day to day issues which are evident to me in modern day Scotland. Not all of it will be political, and indeed may take me off into avenues I am not even aware of yet. Please come and join in on this journey, and any comments are welcome provided they are not abusive! All the best from a new acquaintance! Rod
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10 Responses to Ditch Independence Referendum

  1. Very nice Rod,could we be that lucky? it seems that all of our misfortunes begin and end in Westminster,they wont give us our independence easily,and I fear civil unrest or worse.History tells us they like to rule and boss others around think Ireland,Cyprus,Kenya and India just to be going on with.

  2. Reblogged this on charlesobrien08 and commented:
    Very nice Rod,could we be that lucky? it seems that all of our misfortunes begin and end in Westminster,they wont give us our independence easily,and I fear civil unrest or worse.History tells us they like to rule and boss others around think Ireland,Cyprus,Kenya and India just to be going on with.

  3. Alan says:

    No. Referenda have powerful mandates, far more powerful than the politicians. Even if the SNP fought and won all the Scottish seats during a general election with Nicola Sturgeon coming on the telly and screaming “UDI! UDI UDI!” every night during the campaign, all this would be technically violating the 2014 result, even if the SNP did get two million plus votes.

    Look at how the entire establishment down south has been thrown into disarray by a razor-thin 52-48 result which specifically wasn’t binding, but merely consultative! They left themselves a great big backdoor in case Leave won… and then refused to consider even using it.

    Just remember – we already have a mandate to hold IndyRef2, which will be held as soon as the Great Brexit Plan is revealed. Why throw that away for something as internationally explosive as an UDI?

    • It wouldn’t be UDI…. UDI would be mental! Simply to declare UDI with no mandate of any kind would be nuts and asking for trouble.
      The mandate is much stronger in a General Election….If the sole reason in the manifesto is Is that electing the SNP means you are voting for Independence and a clear majority of seats means that it is delivered.
      Referendums in the British system are only consultative and not binding. Hence why a seperate Section 30 must be applied for and agreed beforehand.
      I doubt however that the SNP would have the gumption to risk all on such a throw of the dice as I am suggesting… So it is unlikely to happen unfortunately.

      • Alan says:

        To clarify – my understanding of an UDI is that the government simply does it without further consultation on whatever mandate they can scrape up. As if UKIP had won a GE majority the way Cameron unexpectedly did(on 37%) and immediately executed a hard Brexit.

        The problem is that the SNP generally gets about a million votes in Holyrood elections and they only got 1.5 million in 2015. No won in 2014 with 2,001,926 votes. It set a benchmark.

        We might not actually need 2,001,926 Yes votes to win another referendum, but that’s my point – the legitimacy of the 2014 mandate can only really be overcome with A) another referendum or b) when the SNP and other pro-indy parties claim two million plus votes between them.

        If we can achieve B, we can achieve A. So…

  4. John Gourlay says:

    I am beginning to think it would be best for both the rest of the UK and Scotland to separate now. I am desperately in favour of Independence but westminster does seem to want to go in a completely different direction from Scotland as regards economic policies, Immigration policy, welfare policies especially in regard to the NHS.
    We will be fighting each other while trying to negotiate trade deals after Brexit.
    As we saw with the Scottish Chinese deal the Unionists were over the moon that it failed.
    That is no recommendation for a stable future as they do not have the best interests of the Scottish people at heart nor even the rest of the UK’s citizens.
    To stick together under such circumstances will be fatal for the whole of the UK. A bit like putting a plaster on a broken leg.

  5. George Trist says:

    The Scottish Elections showed that brutish labour in Scotland voters would jump to tories and I believe they would do the same in a GE. If a snap/early GE is called I believe the SNP would see a reduced number of seats which could prove fatal to the independence movement.

    • Some would no doubt…but the confusion caused would mean utter chaos on Unionist voting patterns.. That would not be the case on the YES side.
      Even with a reduced number of SNP seats, they would still be comfortably ahead.
      It is a roll of the dice for sure…. Win or Lose…
      The same argument can apply to a 2nd referendum…. lose that and the game is over!
      In a General election at least we can turn the British divide and conquer tactics back in their face and use it to our advantage!

  6. Connor McEwen says:

    In the Holyrood election Labour voted for Ruthie and co.?????

    • Not as far as I know.
      Certainly in the Council Bye elections in some areas there has been shennagins with Labour and Tories using their votes to keep SNP out.
      Also in the last Council elections Labour and Tory have combined to prevent SNP from forming the administration.

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